Posts by Singing Man

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Remember when they tried to ban the game "Twister"

by Singing Man in

the game twister was the only time i could touch the sisters in my hall all over their bodys, and we all had fun and did not feel like nasty little kids deserveing to be swallowed up in the crack in the earth

Singing Man

Umm swiss miss puddings on the mat sounds good to me, with the gals wearing thong undies, Hootie Hooo:

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I Need Some Help From Child Abuse Victims.

by shamus in

this may be a long read.... my old roommate and i made a "break" from the lie.

we moved away to another town.

i will not mention which town just incase he is lurking..... he was a nice guy.

Singing Man

Verginia it sounds like to me you have shacked up with a real clown, the WT Clowns are the worst.

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The "Faithful Slave" is Nonsense, Lurkers!

by metatron in

"who really is the faithful and discreet slave"?.

the watchtower has taken a simple scripture and twisted it into a convoluted mess to support their cult.. jesus was telling individuals to examine themselves, by asking "who really is the faithful and discreet slave?".

by asking the question that way, he was not telling them to exalt themselves with the self appointed judgement,.

Singing Man

I know they think a lot of them selfs way too much, sometime I think they think they are clowns..

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Are JW"S coerced to refuse blood transfusions?

by fearnotruth22 in

jesus showed the intended purpose of god's laws, when he worked on the sabath, avoided answering the tax question, forgave sinners that were commanded to be put to death by god's law, etc.

what jesus showed when he seemed to be offending god to fanatics was that saving life is more important that obedience to laws.

whatever god meant when he enjoined "abstinance from blood" to christians as belived by the wt, or when he commanded noah not to eat blood, and whatever the meaning is for people today of the laws that prevent the eating of blood and restricted the use of blood, certainly, based the way that jesus showed how god's laws should be applied, it makes sense that god did not mean that one should obey blood laws when eating or transfusing blood is the only means at hand to survive.

Singing Man

Are JW"S coerced to refuse blood transfusions?

Do horses love to eat carrots? Is the Pope Catholic? Does peanut butter stick to the roof of your mouth? Does good weed help you sleep? Does milk come from dairy cows? Do forty year old women bug me while I am around them? Do Jack rabbits run like a MF'er?

(Please add to this if you feel so inclined.) Shane,

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The Drive Home Tonight,Crying.

by Blueblades in

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friends

let's see,where do i start?i decided to have a quiet drive home after work.it takes about one and half hours.no cd playing,no talk radio,no news, just a quiet drive listening to my own thoughts.i'm not concentrating on any one thing,just kind of letting my mind flow wherever it wants to.. then it starts,my mind goes back to when our children were small.as i'm driving i am having this flashback,i'm going to save my family from dying at armageddon,why the little ones are dependant on us for their future life happiness.. there will be no birthday parties,holiday celebrations,even though one of them was born on the 4th of july.no extra-curricular activities at school,and everyone will know that they don't salute the flag,nor sing the national anthem.and at the infirmary they know that they are not to take blood.. after school homework,the preparing for meetings,more studying comes next.no tv.

tonight,it's a meeting night.oh goody,the weekend is here,now we can go out and play.sorry,we have to go out in field service,mommy and daddy will show you how to have so much fun in the field service on saturday and sunday.. i start to cry,literally,there is real pain in my chest and a lump in my throat.as i have this flashback on the drive home tonight.i think of how i robbed my children of their childhood,i'm getting very emotional and angry,a picture flashes across my mind of all those years,30 plus,that i lost for my wife and children.the opportunities that we turned down,we are going to survive armageddon!.

i have had a talked with my family about my regrets over having put my family through this before and they don't blame me.they feel that i was doing what i thought was the best for them at the time.they forgive me,but i having yet forgiven myself.. the family says that they learned something about life,religion etc.that the experience has not made them bitter,and they have moved on.the children are happily married and doing fine.my wife and i are doing the best that we can with what time we have left.we are in our sixties,no retirement or pension fund.taking it day to day.. this is what happened on the quiet drive home tonight,it's been a year and a half of being inactive and still the flashbacks of the past 30 something years in the watchtower and all of what that has entail in raising my family still wells up inside me when i try to rest my mind and think of nothing.. i cried all the way home for one and a half hours,pain in my chest and heart,my head feeling like it would explode,angry at the society for the big chunk of life that they stole from us.. and i thought of so many others sharing the same feelings and experiences as my family,and those still stuck inside.soon as i arrived home,i collected myself together and said:"hi honey,i'm home!

Singing Man

Everyone has mixed feeling about those years when our kids are young and we see them growing up, I know I do. Those formative years are ment to teach our kids spiritual values because they take it with them just like the bible says " even when they grow old, a son or a daughter will not turn aside from it" the sayings from Jehovah's mouth (basic thoughts as outlined in the bible not from the witness's per say.)

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Interesting letter I found on the web...

by Singing Man in

http://www.commservco.com/gil/letter_of_disassociation.html

letter of disassociation

i would like to ask why we are not taught that the society firmly believed the following things:.

Singing Man

http://www.commservco.com/gil/letter_of_disassociation.html

Letter of Disassociation

To: the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witness's & The WTB&TS

To: the Elders of my Local Congregation August 14, 1998

I have been asked to have a meeting by the elders of my local congregation. I have been queried about my doubt that Jehovah's Witness's are the one and only true organization. I told an elder during a public meeting that I would not meet with the elders in private but a letter would be forthcoming. I will summarize this matter as follows:

1. Personal Background

2. My Study of Society History

3. Primary Issues are as follows: a. Nondisclosure about history, b. Disingenuousness About Financial Matters, c. Doctrinal Changes, d. Control and Authority, e. Prophesy, f. Maintaining Appearances, g. The Primacy of the Organization

4. Statement of Legal Directives

5. Conclusion

I ask you to read this letter with an open mind. I hope that you will consider how the issues I raise have affected me. I also trust that your love of truth will move you to think deeply about the matters I discuss here, inasmuch as they concern any thinking Christian.

Personal Background

When I studied and then joined this organization. I was told with great urgency that the end of the system of things was at hand. Many speculators kept me at the edge of my seat thinking I had to rush to get on board this anti-typical ark. I reasoned that the Society, being God's soul channel of communication on earth, would be able to withstand any investigation and come through with flying colors. In Chapter One of "The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life", it said that we need to examine what is taught by any religious organization with which we may be associated. It assured me that lovers of truth had nothing to fear from such an examination.

Anther Society publication said we should learn everything we could about our religion. This highlighted the need to "make sure of all things". It was my responsibility before God to carefully consider everything I was taught. After much soul-searching and prayer, I have conducted a thorough investigation of the Society's activities and teaching, both past and present. I avoided what you term "apostate" literature, finding most of the information I needed in the Society's writings.

My Study of Society's History Return to top of page

While going through a near complete loss of all I owned and with no "breath of fresh air in sight". I needed to grip onto a firm belief in what I held my faith in. To my dismay, I found the exact opposite of what I had hoped for. The Society has a history of temporary theories and speculations , along with calculations, chronologies, and predictions that are supported in strange ways (measurements inside a pyramid, measurements of distances between two cities in New York and Pennsylvania, the alignment of planets, and so on). I was stunned to learn that the Society had such outlandish ideas in the past.

Further comparison of past and present Society literature uncovered a tendency to rewrite history, withholding information to make things appear different than they really were. I discovered countless doctrinal shifts--a grave disappointment to me, since I had assumed our primary beliefs were solid. Perhaps the greatest disappointment to me was the long list of predictions made by the Society that did not come to pass.

The Society asserts that it is "spirit directed"--God's only "channel of communication" at what they say is the most critical time in history. Considering what I learned of their past, I was forced to ask some hard questions. We are exhorted to accept, without debate, the current understanding of the Governing Body. We are expected to behave as if they were directly inspired by Jehovah. This applies to matters of prediction as well as to matters in which the Bible is not explicit. These directives are to be followed even to the point of death, which is especially distressing in those cases where the Society changes its position a few years later.

Primary Issues

Nondisclosure About History

I would like to ask why we are not taught that the Society firmly believed the following things:

a. The beginning of the "last days" were in 1799, 1874, 1915, 1914.

b. The end of the "last days" were in 1914, 1925, and 1975.

c. The time for Jesus' parousia: 1874, 1914, 1925.

d. The Watchtower stated as " undisputed fact" that "beyond a doubt".... Jesus would appear in 1874 and begin to rule as King in 1878.

e. That Jerusalem was destroyed in 606 BCE (later changed to 607 BCE).

f. The time for Armageddon to begin: 1874, 1914, 1920, 1925 (all specified explicitly in writing) and 1975 ( also written but phrased more cautiously ).

g. The time for Abraham, King David etc. to be resurrected and live on the earth: 1925.

h. The end of the 6,000 years was 1874 (later changed to 1975).

i. Jesus returned invisibly in 1874 (changed to 1929, which means that the Society was "selected as God's organization" (1919)at a time when they did not even know when Jesus had arrived.)

Why do most Witness's today not know these things were believed just as firmly as we believe in 1914 now? Should not the Society, in full humiliation, let us know of these things?

Disingenuousness About Financial Matters

When the distribution of literature was changed to "donation only", we were told that this was done to make the information more accessible. Yet we were never told the whole story. The Society and various other churches filed a "Friend of the Court" brief on behalf of Jimmy Swaggart when the State of California imposed a 6% sales tax on his "Ministries". When Swaggart lost the case, the Society could no longer "sell" literature without paying sales tax.

Within one month of Swaggarts loss, the Society changed to the "donation" policy, which completely solved the tax situation. This saved the Society a lot of money. Why did they not tell us? The Society provides the literature on a "donation" basis in countries that tax "contributions". In countries without this tax situation, householders are asked to contribute--even it the country is so poor the contributions are a serious burden ( Atlanta Journal, March 3, 1990 ). Why does the Society keep this information private?

We were told that the brothers in Mexico had been oppressed by the government, so that they they could not sing or pray at meetings. We were not told that the Society had registered as a "cultural" organization because religious organizations were not allowed to own property in Mexico. As a "cultural" organization the brothers were obliged to downplaythe religious aspect. The restrictions upon their actions derived primarily from a Society decision rather than government action.

Here in North America you have nice, comfortable, Kingdom Halls with cushioned air conditioned comfort. There is not even one Kingdom Hall to share among 50 congregations in Maputa. They have to sit on straw mats in the open air. They do not have enough magazines, so they have to either memorize or "listen carefully" in order to "answer correctly". Why can't the Society send them free literature. After all it owns billions of dollars worth of real estate and holdings. Does Jehovah show partiality to those in poorer, less affluent countries?

Doctrinal Changes

The Society has a long history of changing rules, which have had profound effects on peoples' lives. Consider the matter of blood: At one time all blood products were unacceptable. Later, it was acceptable to take on transfusion (considered as medicine, not nutrition). Later still, "small amounts" were allowed, then not even minute fractions were allowed. Other changes followed. Is this evidence of guidance from the God who never changes? Is the light "growing brighter" when "new light"reverts back to "old light"?

At one time hemophiliacs were forbidden to take blood fractions. The June 15, 1978 Watchtower changed this rule to "a matter of conscience". Prior to that issue, if someone had followed their conscience, they would have become disfellowshipped outcasts -- believed worthy of destruction by God. Organ transplants were called, "wonders of modern surgery" in 1949 ( Awake 12-19-49 ) In 1967, organ transplants were forbidden: "Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic." In 1980 the position reverted back to "a matter of individual conscience." Would God who does not change (Malachi 3:6), allow people to die because of the vacillation of his "faithful and discrete slave"?

Doctrines regarding vaccinations, birth control, rape, resurrection, and marital sex have been changed many times, affecting millions of faithful Witnesses. How many lives have suffered needlessly? Is Jehovah not capable of accurately relating to his "chosen" people what HE wants them to do? Can HE not reveal "new light" well enough to prevent us from seeing the exact opposite of what he is trying to reveal? IF we must have the truth revealed in stages, can HE not assist us in seeing each incremental part of the whole correctly? There are no Biblical accounts of Jehovah relating messages to His people which were then "mixed up" along the way. Noah didn't misunderstand Him, nor did Moses, As humans, they made mistakes, but, not in relaying messages from Jehovah.

Control and Authority

The governing body controls or attempts to control every aspect of our lives: how we spend our time, how we dress, what we read and listen to, how we speak, with whom we speak, with whom we associate, how we spend our vacations, what type of work we can do, and even how we think. We are not really allowed to make decisions based on our own consciences. IF we do not agree totally with the current interpretations of the Governing Body, we are disfellowshipped. Who are the people who exert such control? Their authority derives from the organization founded by Charles Taz Russell, a man who used the measurements of the corridors of the Great Pyramid in Gigeh to help prove the validity of the "end of the Gentile Times" (Watchtower, June 15, 1922). Consider also what Russell wrote about 1914:

"When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history."

Apparently astrology and pyramidology had a part in the determination of the year 1914. Could that have been from God? A man such as this was chosen above all others to be "over all Christ's belongings"? I have found through reliable sources the Society quoted in support of the dates 607 BCE and 1914 CE. I frequently found that the information they presented was either incorrect, or grossly misconstrued, in order to support C.T.Russell's personal ideas.

The date 1914 is crucial to almost everything we believe in. It is scandalous when information from quoted sources is misrepresented to "prove" a doctrine. Anyone who takes the time to look these things up will surely feel angered at what appears to be deliberate deception. Returning to the matter of authority: if the Bible isn't explicit about something, isn't explicit about something, isn't it presumptuous for a dozen men in Brooklyn, who have decided they are Jehovah's sole channel, to issue their personal interpretations regarding matters that run from petty little details to matters of life and death? Millions of people are basing almost every decision they make on the ever-changing interpretations of these men.

Prophecy

While the Society generally avoids calling itself a "prophet", it nevertheless puts on the prophet's mantle. Here are some examples:

"The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end began in 1799;that the Lord's second presence began in 1874." Note the words, "indisputable facts".
"We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble."
"We have no doubt whatever in regards to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925...The Lord has placed the stamp of his seal upon 1914 and 1918 beyond any possibility of erasure..." "There can be no more question about 1925 than there was about 1914." Since it is obvious that 1925 was invalid, in line with their reasoning would it not also mean 1914 is invalid as well?
"True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that within the coming twenty six years all the present governments will be over-thrown and dissolved." Were they in fact, overthrown and dissolved?
"We are already living in the seventh millennium since October, 1872."
"The period must end in 1925,,,millions now living on earth will be living then and those who obey the righteous laws of the new arrangement will live forever. Therefore it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die."
"We may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth."

Obviously, Armageddon didn't occur in 1925, nor were the "saints" resurrected. Thousands left the Society as a result of these failed predictions. How can we condemn those who departed after such a dismal performance by the Society?

Maintaining Appearances

For those who left and those who stayed everyone tried to forget what happened in 1975...I can remember how eminent the end was being painted to me by many elders.. The sense of urgency to Preach the "good news". Did these elders dream this stuff up or did the Organization give clear indications of how we should think.

"According to this trustworthy Bible chronology, six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 CE. So six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes within this generation. So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man's existence."

The May 1974 "Kingdom Ministry" said this:

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end."

Was this not a clear mandate from the Society? Why did the Society encourage such behavior? Where are these brothers now, two decades later? How were they rewarded for their sacrifice? In the wake of the 1975 debacle, the Society blames those who heeded their call. They are accused of "reading more into it than was actually said", not wanting to "wait on Jehovah". They say "never did we prophesy in "Jehovah's name". Never did we say, "Jehovah said this" Yet consider the monthly masthead in Awake!, prior to October 15, 1995:

"Most important, this magazine builds confidence the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 pass away."

They are explicitly stating that it is Jehovah who is making the promise. They are speaking in His name. (Compare Deuteronomy 18:21) The masthead has now changed, along with the understanding of the meaning of "this generation'. It had to be so, since the generation alive in 1914 was dying off. Jehovah never changes. His promises never fail. So why the change? Could it be that Jehovah never promised what the Awake masthead claimed? Do we say the Society achieved a "clearer understanding", or do we say, with humility, that they were just plain wrong? Why does the Society work so hard to hide its errors?

The Primacy of the Organization

We are cautioned against individual study of the Bible. We are told that without the organization, the Bible cannot be understood, and that is an "organizational book, not belonging to the individual". This places more importance on the Watchtower and the organization that on the Bible itself. In our "Bible studies", we actually read hundreds of words of Society interpretation for every word we read from the Bible. Over the past century, the Society has but forth countless failed predictions. It seems clear to me that the men in charge are just that: ordinary men. I see no indication that they are being directed by a perfect God who never changes. Despite this, they demand exclusive devotion to the organization. An organization created by, and run by, mere humans.

Statement and Legal Directives

I hereby firmly assert that I no longer wish to be affiliated with the Watchtower and Bible and Tract Society in any way. The Watchtower and Bible and Tract Society demands devotion almost indistinguishable from the devotion that should be accorded only to God. I consider the idolatry, of which I will have no part. Nor will I be a "follower of men" (i.e. the Governing Body).

I do not accept the Watchtowers definition of "apostate" I am not forsaking my faith in God. I an not denying Jesus Christ or Jehovah, I am forsaking the Watchtower Society and that is not apostasy. If you consider me an apostate this is a personal opinion, but you have no right to impose that view on anyone else, including any family member of mine.

I expressly forbid you to refer to me as an "apostate", either publicly or to my children, unless you are willing to accept possible litigation. I also refuse to allow you to have an further private meetings with of any kind with any underage children of mine

I believe that the majority of Jehovah's Witness's are good and sincere people who truly believe they are doing what is right. However, I am now convinced that the Watchtower Society is NOT God's organization. Since the Society demands total devotion, this decision was the only one I could make in all good conscience. I have not made this decision lightly; it was arrived at only after much thought and prayer. Regardless of what decisions my brothers and sisters are directed to do regarding affiliation or association with me I will always love them and if one day they decide that this organization is not for them either I will be there for them and will encourage them.

Conclusion

You ask me, Am I nourishing my spirituality? Where will I go? And if this is not the truth, what is? Peter asked Jesus, not where, but "whom shall we go away to?" "For you have the sayings of everlasting life." Peter was not speaking of an organization; he was speaking of Jesus, who himself said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life....no man comes to the father except by me."

The Bible is clear on what we need to gain life. It does not mention an organization. The Society has interpreted the "faithful and discrete slave" parable very broadly indeed. I do not have all the answers but it is clear that the society surely doesn't have them either. I am thankful that regardless of the negative images you may project upon me, only God is able to look into the heart. Only HE stands as my judge.

The Bible says, "keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will find; keep on knocking and it will be opened unto you." My heart is in the right place, I believe it will be so.

Sincerely,

EX-JW

Addendum to Letter of Disassociation

Extension to Conclusion on Page 5 of 6 Dated December 23, 2002

You now ask me, Am I nourishing my spirituality? The answer is YES. I am now free and it has been 9 years since I first left. I am working on bachelors degree in Ministry. It is a "interdenominational Degree (meaning claim no denomination but work with all forms of worship). I have seen heresy in all forms of worship some worse than others. I even tried the so called mainstream orthodoxy of Christianity, and saw some pretty rotten spots in its vessel as well.

Truth is that worship of God is not about religion, its about a very personal relationship with God. Religion has proved itself to be Mans way of worshipping God with a lot of rules. Have you ever saw an altar call at a kingdom hall? The answer is NO! I am betting that no JW has ever talked to Jesus asking for deliverance from Sin and asking Jesus to come into their lives. They believe Jesus was a mere creation like Satan. In the Gospels In John chapter 20 Jesus finally meets up with Thomas, his brother who was not at the meeting when Jesus earlier met with all the rest of his apostles. Thomas had earlier said that "unless he saw the nails marks in his hands and put his finger where the nails were, he would not believe. In vs 27. we read "Put your finger here;, see my hands. reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." vs 28 Thomas said to him, "my Lord and my God." Even Thomas knew that Jesus was God.

The Holy Spirit works in three ways First the Holy Spirit is "with" leading us when we do not have a relationship with God. Second the Holy Spirit is "in" us when we accept Jesus Christ as our savior and allow Him into our lives. Thirdly the Holy Spirit comes "on" us and works "through us to be a witness for the Lord (see Acts chapter 1 vs 8 "But you will receive the power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

I still do not have all the answers, but the journey is becoming much clearer now. I am to be a "member of the Body of Christ" and with the Power of the Holy Spirit I am to share in planting seeds and watering in Truth. God has said to seek him and I would find him. He is giving me the exact plate I can eat for my circumstances. He will for you too. It was Peter that was quoted in Acts 2: 38 saying "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. May all this that I do be to the Glory of God, Amen.

Sincerely,

ExJW

California Witness's are more cult minded.

by Singing Man in

yup vergina,california witness's are more cult minded.

they will jump much more readly all over your case if asked questions pertaining to the organizations stupid teachings.

will anyone else agree?

Singing Man

Yup Vergina, California Witness's are more cult minded. They will jump much more readly all over your case if asked questions pertaining to the organizations stupid teachings. Will anyone else agree?

Michael Jackson

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I hope we can all include a prayer for Michael Jackson and his children when we speak to God tonight. The charges the state of California have against him are very serious. I am happy yo see the Jackson family and friends support him. Personally, I think he is innocent, he just has an unconditional love for children. My question to you will you pray for him as we did Luther Vandross? He is a chil;d of the King.He and his famly are in my prayers. A black man that is different from what we call nor has a hard way to go in America.Home of the brave , land of the free..

-- Linda Hardaway Watkins ([email protected]), December 23, 2003

Answers

Uhh, Cephas....
I would take any flames and send them to the instigator. Please don't place them on this board.
This just in (From the JW web site):
Jesus

He is the Son of God. He came to earth from heaven and gave his perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice. His death and resurrection made salvation to eternal life possible for those exercising faith in him. He is now ruling as King of God's heavenly Kingdom, which will soon bring peace to the entire earth. Jesus never claimed equality with God and thus is not part of a Trinity.?John 3:16; 14:28; Revelation 11:15.
I guess this goes against Matthew 1:23, John 1:1 (in the original Greek), and Hebrews 1:3-6
But this is what happens when your founder claims that God gave them a divine revelation, and you take pieces of the Bible to base a belief system.
and BTW, MJ is no longer a JW. I understand he's a Muslim.

-- Rev. John Harper ([email protected]), December 29, 2003.

We will continue to pray for Michael Jackson. I would like to ask us to be in prayer for his accusers also. For if he is guilty, they need our prayers for healing. And if he is not guilty, his accusers need our prayers that they might repent and confess the truth thereby clearing Michael Jackson. If he is cleared, we need to continue to pray that he might mature and learn to express his love for children in a manner that does not lead suspicous minds to accuse him again. Be Blessed

-- Rev. Alton Paris ([email protected]), December 23, 2003.

Thank you Sister Hardaway for such a benevolent gesture.
I have prayed for Michael and I will continue to pray for him so that when he appears in court on Jan. 9,2004 that God will protect him from further attacks from the father of lies.
I recall in February of this year, I was lied on by an administrator and had to go to court for it. I can sympathize with the falsely accused when I read about things like this in the media. Fortunately for me, I am not locally renowned and my story did not appear in the media. Nevertheless, it was very humbling to have experienced this ordeal.
Any of you on this board who has a good reputation in your community can be victimized with the same kind of allegations that Michael Jackson is facing. I believe that boy got a praying mother and I believe that he will be drawn closer to God as a result of this ordeal. Let's all form a prayer team about Michael's situation.
Jazzman

-- Jazzman ([email protected]), December 23, 2003.

Michael Jackson is a Jehovah's Witness and therefore unless he has accepted Jesus Christ as his savior (JW's do not believe Jesus is the Messiah)he is not a child of the King. The Prayer he needs is one simply for his salvation. Whether or not he is guilty of the crime he is accused of, if he does not accept Christ as his savior he will die and go to hell. I don't believe these accusations are racially motivated, Michael has put him self in the position of the "appearance of evil". If he is innocent then he should conduct himself in a manner that does not bring this type of attention to him. This is the price of celebrity, not of his race. A celebrity has to realize that their entire life is played out in a fishbowl.

-- Cephas Martin ([email protected]), December 25, 2003.

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How old were you when you left?

by somebodylovesme in

jw
friends

i only know a handful of witnesses, but i do know several ex-witnesses.

all of them left in their late teens, which (as i've read here) is pretty common.

i know there are a lot of people here who left later in life.

Singing Man

Verginia I was way to #&*!% OLD, now most of my life has slipped away. Now what do I have to show for it? I will tell you, nine hundred pounds of books and magazines, and a bunch of snooty so called friends who run like jack rabbits from me in a grocery line.

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The "Faithful Slave" is Nonsense, Lurkers!

by metatron in

"who really is the faithful and discreet slave"?.

the watchtower has taken a simple scripture and twisted it into a convoluted mess to support their cult.. jesus was telling individuals to examine themselves, by asking "who really is the faithful and discreet slave?".

by asking the question that way, he was not telling them to exalt themselves with the self appointed judgement,.

Singing Man

They should be called the "faithfull over lords", old buggers growing big noses and big ears. http://www.biblebb.com/files/spurgeon/ep.htm

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45 year old picture found

by Lady Lee in

jw
friends

when i was young (pre jw and in 1960) my mother had a portrait taken of the 4 kids.

shortly after it was sent to my father's mother (whom we had never met) and the portrait was never seen again.. since then we had a group picture taken when i was 18 (the week before i got married in 1970).

that was the last time we were together.

Singing Man

I am convinced that all the hurtful crap in this life will be rectified one day, so we should all rest easy. Remeber "time keeps on slipping slipping into the future..."